In this conversation with Joel Linklater, Gabriel Kiokee recounts how an old man, John George, explained how it was in the old days, what hardships his generation went through when the railroad was first being constructed, and how the new generations are profiting from what came before.

Gabriel Kiokee and Joel Linklater discuss the changes brought about by the White-Man's culture such as the stability of "jobs", the schools for children, the purified water, and the stronger houses. They also note how there isn't an Indian left in the hinterland that isn't dependent on the White-Man.

Letters from family members and others are read aloud to the group and a child is asked to speak different phrases into the microphone.